Josh Mankiewicz

It is. And I totally bought it. I thought, well, either he beat the charges or he's not going to get charged and I'm wrong about him. So this case took a while. I mean, he was arrested like 14 months after the murder.

It is. And I totally bought it. I thought, well, either he beat the charges or he's not going to get charged and I'm wrong about him. So this case took a while. I mean, he was arrested like 14 months after the murder.

Right.

Right.

Clearly, some people were not expecting a guilty verdict because this was not some like overwhelming slam dunk case.

Clearly, some people were not expecting a guilty verdict because this was not some like overwhelming slam dunk case.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Three days, which is a long time. Yeah. And then his conviction is overturned. You know, there's this belief that when that verdict is entered and the jury comes back, like, well, that's it. You know, there's not going to be any more here. And then turns out, a couple years later, you're back to square one, essentially.

Three days, which is a long time. Yeah. And then his conviction is overturned. You know, there's this belief that when that verdict is entered and the jury comes back, like, well, that's it. You know, there's not going to be any more here. And then turns out, a couple years later, you're back to square one, essentially.

What do you think made the difference between the first trial and the second trial? Because the first trial, the jury was out for a long time. I think sort of a lot of people expected a mistrial. The second one, you know, the jury was only out for a couple hours.

What do you think made the difference between the first trial and the second trial? Because the first trial, the jury was out for a long time. I think sort of a lot of people expected a mistrial. The second one, you know, the jury was only out for a couple hours.

After the break, Andrea is going to share two podcast exclusive clips that did not make it into the broadcast. One was Rob's best friend and the other from Rob's killer. I'm guessing you guys tried very hard to get Sophie to talk and she didn't want to. But you got Rob's sister, and she was great.

After the break, Andrea is going to share two podcast exclusive clips that did not make it into the broadcast. One was Rob's best friend and the other from Rob's killer. I'm guessing you guys tried very hard to get Sophie to talk and she didn't want to. But you got Rob's sister, and she was great.

Yeah. I thought your interview with Mayor Dodd was just so adorable. I mean, he seems like a great guy. And the closeness that he felt with Rob and clearly still feels all these years later is very obvious. I mean, he really loved his friend. And they loved each other. They had these silly nicknames for each other. They were funny. They were so funny.

Yeah. I thought your interview with Mayor Dodd was just so adorable. I mean, he seems like a great guy. And the closeness that he felt with Rob and clearly still feels all these years later is very obvious. I mean, he really loved his friend. And they loved each other. They had these silly nicknames for each other. They were funny. They were so funny.

So here's a clip that did not make the broadcast from your interview with Mehrdad.

So here's a clip that did not make the broadcast from your interview with Mehrdad.

I mean, if I'm in that situation, I'm not letting that guy in my house. I know why he's there. I know he's ticked off at me. I'm going to be like, hey, look, you should probably talk to your wife about this. Like, this is between the two of you. This is not about you and me. But I would not be like, hey, come on in. Let's have coffee. Let's be buds. That's a really good point.

I mean, if I'm in that situation, I'm not letting that guy in my house. I know why he's there. I know he's ticked off at me. I'm going to be like, hey, look, you should probably talk to your wife about this. Like, this is between the two of you. This is not about you and me. But I would not be like, hey, come on in. Let's have coffee. Let's be buds. That's a really good point.