Josh Mankiewicz

So at some point, Dion is in there for the police interrogation in which I'm going to say does not realize that she is, that the persona she is showing the cops is more important than the things that are coming out of her mouth because she's telling a story which later gets picked apart.

So at some point, Dion is in there for the police interrogation in which I'm going to say does not realize that she is, that the persona she is showing the cops is more important than the things that are coming out of her mouth because she's telling a story which later gets picked apart.

But sort of way she talks about Lance and about money and about what she's owed and who she is, that sort of tells you more about Dion than any single thing she says.

But sort of way she talks about Lance and about money and about what she's owed and who she is, that sort of tells you more about Dion than any single thing she says.

This feels like a good time to listen to some extra sound that did not make the episode. So let's listen to that. This is Dionne talking about how she felt fearful after Lance's death.

This feels like a good time to listen to some extra sound that did not make the episode. So let's listen to that. This is Dionne talking about how she felt fearful after Lance's death.

You have no idea. You know, the interesting thing there is that she's clearly lying. Now we know that. You know, I was afraid. The cops are playing along. Earlier in that same interrogation, they're lying about the video cameras, and she's playing along. It's a nice little dance that's going on there in that little tiny room.

You have no idea. You know, the interesting thing there is that she's clearly lying. Now we know that. You know, I was afraid. The cops are playing along. Earlier in that same interrogation, they're lying about the video cameras, and she's playing along. It's a nice little dance that's going on there in that little tiny room.

How many times on Dateline have we seen that? People who sit down in that room and think, I'm smarter than these guys who are interrogating me, and they're not. Right. You know, she lies on the stand in her divorce trial, or she tells the truth on the stand in the divorce trial, which means she's lying to the cops.

How many times on Dateline have we seen that? People who sit down in that room and think, I'm smarter than these guys who are interrogating me, and they're not. Right. You know, she lies on the stand in her divorce trial, or she tells the truth on the stand in the divorce trial, which means she's lying to the cops.

But she can't get her story straight, and it clearly didn't occur to her that cops are going to be watching both of those things.

But she can't get her story straight, and it clearly didn't occur to her that cops are going to be watching both of those things.

Yeah. I loved the prosecutor going to the divorce hearing.

Yeah. I loved the prosecutor going to the divorce hearing.

Clint Rucker, when he was a prosecutor, he was the prosecutor in the Tex McIver case, which we covered here on Dateline. And he did a thing, which I, in that case, which I think he did in other cases, which is when he's giving, I can't remember whether it's his opening or his summation at the end. He had a jar of muddy water.

Clint Rucker, when he was a prosecutor, he was the prosecutor in the Tex McIver case, which we covered here on Dateline. And he did a thing, which I, in that case, which I think he did in other cases, which is when he's giving, I can't remember whether it's his opening or his summation at the end. He had a jar of muddy water.

But he shakes it up like a mason jar full of water and dirt, and so it's all muddy. And he puts it down on the edge of the juror box, and he says, this is cloudy.

But he shakes it up like a mason jar full of water and dirt, and so it's all muddy. And he puts it down on the edge of the juror box, and he says, this is cloudy.

And then he lays out his case. And that takes an hour or something because it's a long opening or a long summation. By the end, the silt has settled and you can see through the water. It's a good prop.

And then he lays out his case. And that takes an hour or something because it's a long opening or a long summation. By the end, the silt has settled and you can see through the water. It's a good prop.