Josh Mankiewicz

They think they know who it is, so they're following them. And then they need to be ready to move and go to tactical right away if they see that the crime is going down. And sometimes that ends up in an arrest right there. So this was an unremarkable case for SIS because Monica and Baker were not in the process of committing any additional crimes.

They think they know who it is, so they're following them. And then they need to be ready to move and go to tactical right away if they see that the crime is going down. And sometimes that ends up in an arrest right there. So this was an unremarkable case for SIS because Monica and Baker were not in the process of committing any additional crimes.

And they were also completely oblivious to the fact that they were being followed. The guy that we interviewed, Rob Burke, is an old friend of mine. I mean, I've known him for a while. And very recently, he said to me, you know, what are you working on? And I said, oh, it's the, you know, the Simantilli case down the valley. He's like, oh, yeah, we followed her. I'm like, what?

And they were also completely oblivious to the fact that they were being followed. The guy that we interviewed, Rob Burke, is an old friend of mine. I mean, I've known him for a while. And very recently, he said to me, you know, what are you working on? And I said, oh, it's the, you know, the Simantilli case down the valley. He's like, oh, yeah, we followed her. I'm like, what?

I said, you didn't tell me that. He's like, I didn't know you were on it. Um, so then very sort of late in the game, um, I, I, I, uh, asked him if he would talk about, uh, SIS's role in, you know, following them and sort of, uh, uh, giving the primary investigators sort of the, you know, putting the pieces together so that they could understand Monica and Baker's relationship.

I said, you didn't tell me that. He's like, I didn't know you were on it. Um, so then very sort of late in the game, um, I, I, I, uh, asked him if he would talk about, uh, SIS's role in, you know, following them and sort of, uh, uh, giving the primary investigators sort of the, you know, putting the pieces together so that they could understand Monica and Baker's relationship.

I mean, that definitely filled in a lot of blanks for investigators on this.

I mean, that definitely filled in a lot of blanks for investigators on this.

Yeah, well, you know, it's one of those assignments that people get within the LAPD and then they never want to leave. It's very kind of high tension and you have access to all this technology that other people don't have access to. I mean, you can do, you know, you can follow people with, you know, drones and trackers and helicopters and all kinds of stuff.

Yeah, well, you know, it's one of those assignments that people get within the LAPD and then they never want to leave. It's very kind of high tension and you have access to all this technology that other people don't have access to. I mean, you can do, you know, you can follow people with, you know, drones and trackers and helicopters and all kinds of stuff.

What an assignment that is. Inside law enforcement, that's known as Perkins. That's from a Supreme Court decision, Perkins v. Illinois, about statements that are made to law enforcement. For example, if you're charged with a crime and you say, I want an attorney and I'm not talking to the police, and then...

What an assignment that is. Inside law enforcement, that's known as Perkins. That's from a Supreme Court decision, Perkins v. Illinois, about statements that are made to law enforcement. For example, if you're charged with a crime and you say, I want an attorney and I'm not talking to the police, and then...

I'm a cop, and they put a jail uniform on me and shove me in there and say to you, hey, you know, I just committed murder. Blaine, what did you do? And you start talking. That frequently will get thrown out because I am the police trying to interrogate you Even though you have said, I'm not talking to the police, which is your right under the constitution.

I'm a cop, and they put a jail uniform on me and shove me in there and say to you, hey, you know, I just committed murder. Blaine, what did you do? And you start talking. That frequently will get thrown out because I am the police trying to interrogate you Even though you have said, I'm not talking to the police, which is your right under the constitution.

So Perkins, the thing they did with Monica in this case is a way around that. And there are very specific rules for what you can and can't say to the person. So. They ran a Perkins operation, and it definitely produced some things, although it did not produce the admission that prosecutors were hoping for, which is Monica admitting, yeah, this was my plan.

So Perkins, the thing they did with Monica in this case is a way around that. And there are very specific rules for what you can and can't say to the person. So. They ran a Perkins operation, and it definitely produced some things, although it did not produce the admission that prosecutors were hoping for, which is Monica admitting, yeah, this was my plan.

The only thing that came out of that was she admitted the affair, and she gave some sense of how –

The only thing that came out of that was she admitted the affair, and she gave some sense of how –

into baker she was to me the smoking gun piece of audio in this it's when baker and monica are in the patrol car and they've just been pulled over and arrested when they were out driving in monica's nice mustang and they put them both in the back of a police car and a lot of police cars um um a lot of black and whites are i think wired for sound and video but they did get monica whispering to baker which you saw in our episode and she says somebody must

into baker she was to me the smoking gun piece of audio in this it's when baker and monica are in the patrol car and they've just been pulled over and arrested when they were out driving in monica's nice mustang and they put them both in the back of a police car and a lot of police cars um um a lot of black and whites are i think wired for sound and video but they did get monica whispering to baker which you saw in our episode and she says somebody must