Josh Mankiewicz

And part of what happened here was that, you know, conning somebody is not perceived as, as serious a crime as conning somebody and then killing them.

And unfortunately, uh, you know, none of the brakes were put on until Cliff Lambert was already gone.

You know, I gotta say one more thing about this, which is, uh,

Dave, who's joining us today, one of the two producers, is not just responsible for following this thing.

Because he's not just a producer, but he's also a video editor and photographer.

And so, you know, normally we say, you know, you can listen to this episode.

It's right on the podcast feed, right?

But I would urge you to go to Peacock and watch this episode.

Because...

Part of what made this such a great episode are those pictures.

And part of why that all works is because of Dave, who was largely responsible for the sort of look of this and of making Palm Springs a character.

And looking at this episode, in addition to just listening to it, is worth your time.

And that's because of Dave.

Thank you, Josh.

All right.

Palm Springs is such a beautiful place.

I mean, sometimes you can just point the camera and you get gold.

So, but I really appreciate that, Josh.

It was a long journey.

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