Josh Mankiewicz

He was by far the most rational of all of those people.

I think originally, and Dave, check me on this, but I think originally the plan was to con Cliff out of money.

Part of Danny's backstory, don't know how much of this or any of it is true, is that he was abused as a younger man and that he wanted to create an app that would allow people to track sexual predators or people who were registered sex offenders.

in real time so you'd know if you were near them.

Danny originally approached Cliff with, was, I want you to participate in this business venture with me.

And when Cliff didn't bite on that, and in fact, threw Danny out of his house for sort of, you know, going through his computer and going through his office,

That's, I think, when Danny also got the idea, wait a minute, if we disappear this guy, no one will notice.

And so this kind of escalated, this original plot escalated a separating cliff from his money to killing him, selling his house, his possessions, and his artwork.

I would say also it was like, you know,

They were all kind of trying to one up each other on who's the better con, you know, including Dennis.

And then when Cashel got out of jail or out for the jewelry heist, you know, I'm thinking maybe he was a little bit desperate or something.

And it escalated at that point.

I mean, Danny's whole thing was he was financial crimes up until Cliff Lambert came into the picture.

And there is no allegation or evidence that Danny was present when Cliff was killed.

I mean, it is a little bit like he was the director of this plan because he sent all those texts.

But Danny definitely wasn't there at the time that Cliff was killed.

Bye.

Hi, Chuck Deasy.

No, I do not have a bloodstained tie, although it did kind of look like that.

No, it's just a blue and red striped tie.