Josh Mankiewicz

Yeah. I can't tell you, you, Blaine, exactly how this worked. But they clearly had some system which involved different people being together in different situations, maybe while other people were present, that they felt did not stretch the bounds of permission. Right. So it was a way for people to be with other people without sort of, you know, breaking, breaking either.

Yeah. I can't tell you, you, Blaine, exactly how this worked. But they clearly had some system which involved different people being together in different situations, maybe while other people were present, that they felt did not stretch the bounds of permission. Right. So it was a way for people to be with other people without sort of, you know, breaking, breaking either.

I'm not going to say breaking their vows, but at least breaking their their post marriage vows of of what constituted fidelity and infidelity.

I'm not going to say breaking their vows, but at least breaking their their post marriage vows of of what constituted fidelity and infidelity.

Oh yeah, no, no. They, they, they both, they had that expression of like, you know, when people are going to the dentist, you know, like this is going to be awful, but you know, in a couple hours it's going to be over. I'll be out of here thinking about how terrible it was. I mean, look, they agreed to do it.

Oh yeah, no, no. They, they, they both, they had that expression of like, you know, when people are going to the dentist, you know, like this is going to be awful, but you know, in a couple hours it's going to be over. I'll be out of here thinking about how terrible it was. I mean, look, they agreed to do it.

And I think they agreed to do it because they loved Rob because they felt that he had been done wrong. We've got no subpoena power here at Dateline. People are only on because they want to be. And I think the Bernatines wanted to tell their story. They were ready for anything. And I can only imagine that it was embarrassing.

And I think they agreed to do it because they loved Rob because they felt that he had been done wrong. We've got no subpoena power here at Dateline. People are only on because they want to be. And I think the Bernatines wanted to tell their story. They were ready for anything. And I can only imagine that it was embarrassing.

It always is to have your sort of personal business laid out in front of the whole country. Right. Look, one of the things that's always true about murder investigations is that it pulls back the covers on everybody's secrets, including things that don't actually have to do with the murder itself. And this was one of those cases.

It always is to have your sort of personal business laid out in front of the whole country. Right. Look, one of the things that's always true about murder investigations is that it pulls back the covers on everybody's secrets, including things that don't actually have to do with the murder itself. And this was one of those cases.

Look, this is a question that I have specifically asked of defendants. from whom I was separated by a thick pane of prison glass. Why did you not think about just getting a divorce? I mean, it's legal in this country, and you can get divorced as many times as you want, and your family may hate you afterwards. You may be out of money afterwards.

Look, this is a question that I have specifically asked of defendants. from whom I was separated by a thick pane of prison glass. Why did you not think about just getting a divorce? I mean, it's legal in this country, and you can get divorced as many times as you want, and your family may hate you afterwards. You may be out of money afterwards.

You may have the distrust and enmity of your family and friends, but you will not be locked up, and you probably also will be able to sleep at night. Why people choose murder is one of the questions involving the stuff that you and I cover here at Dateline that I've never really had an answer to. Now, that said, why did this happen? Sabrina's defense was... I didn't want him dead. I was content.

You may have the distrust and enmity of your family and friends, but you will not be locked up, and you probably also will be able to sleep at night. Why people choose murder is one of the questions involving the stuff that you and I cover here at Dateline that I've never really had an answer to. Now, that said, why did this happen? Sabrina's defense was... I didn't want him dead. I was content.

I had this life sort of compartmentalized the way I wanted it. I had my husband who I loved and who was a great father and, you know, took care of me and the kids. And then I had my lover who was very exciting and younger and we read scripture to each other. You know, her defense was I didn't want to do, I didn't want either a divorce or murder.

I had this life sort of compartmentalized the way I wanted it. I had my husband who I loved and who was a great father and, you know, took care of me and the kids. And then I had my lover who was very exciting and younger and we read scripture to each other. You know, her defense was I didn't want to do, I didn't want either a divorce or murder.

And you can't convict her without believing Jonathan. There is nothing on those tapes in which she acknowledges authorship of this plan.

And you can't convict her without believing Jonathan. There is nothing on those tapes in which she acknowledges authorship of this plan.

I think that the idea that Rob was murdered at a place that wasn't his normal place of employment was a very big part of the prosecution's case, because I think the argument was made that Jonathan would only have known where to go if Sabrina had told him.

I think that the idea that Rob was murdered at a place that wasn't his normal place of employment was a very big part of the prosecution's case, because I think the argument was made that Jonathan would only have known where to go if Sabrina had told him.