Josh Safdie

Yes.

But what I love about him, he doesn't sell.

So he's different from the guys who are selling stuff nonstop and making sure it's here and there.

And he was good friends with Johnny.

Anyway, he is...

I love being around him.

I genuinely like, you know, every his point of view on life.

I find it so refreshing, everything he has to say.

And I am, you know, moved by people who are iconically themselves.

So how do I get it?

How do I do it?

What is I mean?

I just I don't know.

I just see somebody and I see them for their essence.

And and I believe that if you know someone really well, these interviews help.

and getting to know them and making them feel comfortable.

That's like so much of directing is just making people feel, I mean, that's, you had to do, still have to do it.

And then they can get into a space where they can be, without starting to sound like evil, manipulated, but they can be- But that is your job.

yeah to manipulate they can be led into situations right and then having someone like timmy i can actually work with him through him sometimes and i don't put marks down on the floor or anything and and darius my cinematographer is like master lighter spends three hours he's like no they have to stand right here i was like not if they don't want to darius and i was like no trust me he's like they they have to i won't be lit up they're over here i was like then they're not lit

Then they're not lit over there and they're standing there, but I'll get them there.