Josh Shapiro

I think it is important to look forward, right, and not look backwards.

And you said in the last election, Democrats took a slacking.

Actually, look at 2025.

It was the opposite.

I mean, the president's party, Republican Party got beat.

New Jersey got beat in Virginia, got beat here in Pennsylvania, where we won three

state Supreme Court seats.

So obviously, there's a pendulum in American politics, and it's clearly swinging back.

I think what's important is that we look forward.

And I think it's also really important for our party to have, for my party, to have a real debate and to have a real discussion about ideas.

What are we for?

And what are we willing to fight for?

And

I realize that process may at times look a little messy.

I realize, and I mean this with the utmost respect, it gives folks like you on a podcast or on a show the ability to sort of pick apart, maybe try and, you know, sort of parse words or point one Democrat at another and try and create conflict.

But I would just say that overall, having this debate

and having these issues be raised and having disagreements, that's healthy for our party.

And ultimately, I think our party's poised to take back power and that will make us better at governing.

To me, the whole purpose of running in an election is getting the chance to govern, not just winning the election.

And so having these debates right now puts us in a better position when we win those elections.