Josh Shapiro

And there was a clear opportunity to do that yesterday, and that did not happen.

It was a failure in leadership.

But to me, it's in many ways

notwithstanding the importance of those hearings, in many ways, that was performative.

It's the hard work that prosecutors do behind the scenes to stand up for victims.

It's the hard work prosecutors do behind the scenes to hold the powerful accountable.

And that is what I am not seeing coming out of the Trump administration.

You sound like Professor Ben right now.

I try, I try, I try.

No, but let me give you a real life example of how this played out in Pennsylvania and juxtapose that with what we're seeing in Fulton County.

Back in 2020, I'll just remind you, you and I talked about it a lot at the time, Donald Trump and his enablers

sued me in Pennsylvania 43 different times to try and throw out the votes of legal eligible voters here in Pennsylvania.

He went oh and 43, I went 43 and oh, and we had a free and fair, safe and secure election.

In one of those cases, there were these bogus affidavits, these bogus statements that the Trump folks were relying on that were introduced in court

when they were asking the judge to try and throw out these votes.

Guess who the lawyer was at that time?

It was Rudy Giuliani.

And Giuliani went into court and lied.

He lied with his own mouth.

He lied with the introduction of these affidavits and other statements.