Josh Shapiro

We'll see ultimately what he does here.

But to me, this has been a failed and compromised mission from the beginning because he never made clear why he was going in.

and to your point never pardon me america should never be led around by any other nation it should always be about america's interests our national security interests the interests of expanding freedom and opportunity for the american people we should never ever be bullied as maybe president trump was by any other world leader back to the anti-semitism we're experiencing now you said hey let's address them separately but i don't think you can separate them if

Well, I think you have to be real careful on that.

You, you, the collective, not you individually.

I mean, if you're suggesting, say, that Jews are Israel and reflect Israeli policies and support everything Israel does.

I mean, that's one of the oldest anti-Semitic tropes out there, this sort of notion of dual loyalty.

I think it is fair.

to vote on the issue of do we support what donald trump is doing relative to netanyahu that's fair but to suggest that somehow it's you know because jews are tied to israel and that's why we're doing you and i can parse this issue i think very easily

And that's why I've tried to be so outspoken on this and making clear that on anti-Semitism, there should be no nuance.

And that's a conversation where we should all be able to unite and that we have to protect

a place for nuance when it comes to Mideast policy, when it comes to Israel, when it comes to Iran and and and anything happening in the Middle East.

And we need to give space for those who want to peacefully and I want to stress peacefully protest.

We want to give space to those who differ from the administration.

frankly, those who support the administration, to be able to go out and to protest peacefully.

And that is, I think, an important part of the fabric of our American society.

I just think it's important.

I try and do this work every day as governor is to keep those conversations separate because when they get blended, that's where I think it gets dangerous.

And that's where I think it really crosses a line into something we don't want to see in our society.

And I think that reflects where I am on many things.