Josh Thurman

It's entertaining as fuck, but it's not accepted.

It's interesting to see, and I think this is coming to an end a little bit, but For years, people viewed the special operations community, specifically the SEAL community, as if it was a nucleus of only the best leadership in the world. And you would watch people get hired for or approached for a role that, quite frankly, was outside of their capability.

It's interesting to see, and I think this is coming to an end a little bit, but For years, people viewed the special operations community, specifically the SEAL community, as if it was a nucleus of only the best leadership in the world. And you would watch people get hired for or approached for a role that, quite frankly, was outside of their capability.

It's interesting to see, and I think this is coming to an end a little bit, but For years, people viewed the special operations community, specifically the SEAL community, as if it was a nucleus of only the best leadership in the world. And you would watch people get hired for or approached for a role that, quite frankly, was outside of their capability.

They might have been enthusiastic about it, but their enthusiasm outstripped their capability. And I've had this conversation so many times with people because, and I'm sure this is the case for you in your career. You probably worked with good leaders and bad, right? For sure. But did you ever have mission failure?

They might have been enthusiastic about it, but their enthusiasm outstripped their capability. And I've had this conversation so many times with people because, and I'm sure this is the case for you in your career. You probably worked with good leaders and bad, right? For sure. But did you ever have mission failure?

They might have been enthusiastic about it, but their enthusiasm outstripped their capability. And I've had this conversation so many times with people because, and I'm sure this is the case for you in your career. You probably worked with good leaders and bad, right? For sure. But did you ever have mission failure?

And that's the thing. So people look at the community and they say, well, you guys just keep succeeding and succeeding and succeeding. You must have the best leaders in the world. What they'll never know is that a platoon or a troop or whatever it is, sometimes they're succeeding in spite of the leader, not because of the leader.

And that's the thing. So people look at the community and they say, well, you guys just keep succeeding and succeeding and succeeding. You must have the best leaders in the world. What they'll never know is that a platoon or a troop or whatever it is, sometimes they're succeeding in spite of the leader, not because of the leader.

And that's the thing. So people look at the community and they say, well, you guys just keep succeeding and succeeding and succeeding. You must have the best leaders in the world. What they'll never know is that a platoon or a troop or whatever it is, sometimes they're succeeding in spite of the leader, not because of the leader.

But that's invisible to anybody else. Like we all put it on our dress whites. Everybody would say that's a great picture. But let's say you're at a team on the West Coast. You'd be like, that guy fucking sucks. But he wears the same uniform and they look the same and they have the same title.

But that's invisible to anybody else. Like we all put it on our dress whites. Everybody would say that's a great picture. But let's say you're at a team on the West Coast. You'd be like, that guy fucking sucks. But he wears the same uniform and they look the same and they have the same title.

But that's invisible to anybody else. Like we all put it on our dress whites. Everybody would say that's a great picture. But let's say you're at a team on the West Coast. You'd be like, that guy fucking sucks. But he wears the same uniform and they look the same and they have the same title.

And if we go out in the field, two people might be doing the job of that guy and you're going to have mission success. And if that guy is the leader, they're going to say that spectacularly the best leader in the world. Like, no, it actually the SEAL community actually masks really poor leadership. Because the guys always pull through. They always pull through.

And if we go out in the field, two people might be doing the job of that guy and you're going to have mission success. And if that guy is the leader, they're going to say that spectacularly the best leader in the world. Like, no, it actually the SEAL community actually masks really poor leadership. Because the guys always pull through. They always pull through.

And if we go out in the field, two people might be doing the job of that guy and you're going to have mission success. And if that guy is the leader, they're going to say that spectacularly the best leader in the world. Like, no, it actually the SEAL community actually masks really poor leadership. Because the guys always pull through. They always pull through.

Well, it's, I mean, then that guy gets out of the military to say the poor leader goes into a sector and just proper fucks it for everybody else. I've watched doors close behind because they have such a bad taste in their mouth. And they say, probably rightfully so, not again. We're going to turn the faucet off there.

Well, it's, I mean, then that guy gets out of the military to say the poor leader goes into a sector and just proper fucks it for everybody else. I've watched doors close behind because they have such a bad taste in their mouth. And they say, probably rightfully so, not again. We're going to turn the faucet off there.

Well, it's, I mean, then that guy gets out of the military to say the poor leader goes into a sector and just proper fucks it for everybody else. I've watched doors close behind because they have such a bad taste in their mouth. And they say, probably rightfully so, not again. We're going to turn the faucet off there.

So it's, yeah, it's interesting looking back at it now. Some of the best leaders that I ever worked with and also the worst. Yeah. And nobody would ever know the difference.