Josh

For a mother to do this to their own children in a way that I think initially really appeared to everybody as...

just pure evil.

Like why would somebody do this and why would they do it in this way?

And the more you dig into it, the more layers there, there appear.

And the deeper you dig through those layers, you start seeing that the layers have layers within it.

And there's this religious dogma kind of intermeshed in, in this entire family.

Uh, but especially in Andrea's, uh,

mental state.

So there's a lot to unpack.

There's a lot to this particular case and maybe a lot of things.

Maybe you've heard this case before or maybe even watched the documentary.

And even beyond the documentary, there's even more that wasn't covered, but a really, really tough one.

No, we haven't.

Which is a whole other thing that I think for a long, long time, many people didn't understand or

even know about to some extent.

And, uh, having been with somebody in postpartum, I know firsthand just how, from like being a partner to somebody going through a postpartum, just how difficult it is.

And it's something that even the first time going through it, I couldn't even wrap my head around until after the fact.

And the fact that we sort of debriefed about that period and just how tough it is for any woman to come, come back from childbirth and just

the mental toll it takes on you.

And as a man, I can't even possibly wrap my head around, A, the experience of giving birth, but also just the mental thing that happens afterwards.