Joshua Citarella

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You did, speaking of other pipelines, I suppose, sort of the man problem, the stuff that Richard Reeves talks about, I've spoken about a good bit too.

He's great.

What has been your perspective on the state of young men at the moment, especially if you're paying a little bit of attention to the left?

We often talk about the left's problem with masculinity, with men, why they're so ineffectual at talking to and galvanizing men to be able to be seen.

I certainly think that there's some pretty strong evidence that there are big blind spots.

Not even blind spots, purposeful sort of omissions.

Yeah.

Because if we were to pedestalize this particular group, it would look like we're taking it away from some more deserving group.

What have you learned?

What are you seeing?

What's the cutting edge of sort of how boys and men are doing on the internet at the moment?

How did trying to become hyper-masculine go?

You tried to do the...

Well, I mean, I only got so far.

You tried to do the physical first to right-wing pipeline.

Tell me about that.

Yeah, well, look, I understand the idea of agency, of internalizing your locus of control, is something that particularly speaks to young men that have an upward aim, right?