Joshua Citarella

That seems insane.

And for me, I'm very fortunate that I've got time and resources and friends that I can text to help me work out how to deal with complex environmental illness.

But not many other people do.

And that really sort of highlighted to me, well, fucking hell.

Like, I'm in such a fortunate position that I've clambered my way one half rung at a time up to, and even I have had my ass kicked by this thing.

So it really brought into land just how much more work needs to be done, I think, to try and help people with regards to that.

In terms of my worldview,

trying to see small victories and small pleasures as big wins, not being ashamed by the smallness of my life.

If I see a golden retriever and that's the best part of my day, like, that's worthwhile.

Like, that's cool.

It's pretty good.

Yeah, that's pretty good.

As opposed to, like, holding my happiness hostage until I play the main stage at Glastonbury or I sell out a tour or I get to sit down with Joshua or I get to do the hit 4 million subscribers.

Like, it's just...

Trying to see and enjoy more beauty in every day, I think I'm going to touch with something approximating like mortality and you go, oh, fucking hell.

Like I didn't stare into the abyss, but I sort of peered over the top a couple of times and it wasn't very nice.

That's a fascinating perspective.

No, that's the first time I've ever thought about it.

I can see how you do it.

I am able to keep doing the thing that I've been doing.