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Joshua (Josh) Clark

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Stuff You Should Know
What To Do With All This Nuclear Waste?

That's actually, from what I can tell, the number one obstacle to recycling nuclear waste, that security concern.

Stuff You Should Know
What To Do With All This Nuclear Waste?

I guess.

Stuff You Should Know
What To Do With All This Nuclear Waste?

I mean, we keep our nuclear stockpile safe, or we have for this long, so why can't we apply some of that same security to these recycling plants?

Stuff You Should Know
What To Do With All This Nuclear Waste?

I don't understand.

Stuff You Should Know
What To Do With All This Nuclear Waste?

It just seems like, yeah, that's a huge risk, but it's not something we can't figure out.

Stuff You Should Know
What To Do With All This Nuclear Waste?

Yeah, so one of the other things we should say I think that people are kind of wary about is that these startups that are talking about new ideas for nuclear power are typically doing it to get government buy-in to help fund them to build nuclear plants to power their AI.

Stuff You Should Know
What To Do With All This Nuclear Waste?

So these are like... I think Oklo is backed by Sam Altman from OpenAI.

Stuff You Should Know
What To Do With All This Nuclear Waste?

Essentially...

Stuff You Should Know
What To Do With All This Nuclear Waste?

Humanity would benefit as a side effect from new advanced designs for producing nuclear power with less waste.

Stuff You Should Know
What To Do With All This Nuclear Waste?

That'd be great.

Stuff You Should Know
What To Do With All This Nuclear Waste?

But the intent, the immediate intent by the people who are doing this is typically to produce cheaper power to power their increasingly massive artificial intelligences.

Stuff You Should Know
What To Do With All This Nuclear Waste?

That's, I think, makes some people wary, including me.

Stuff You Should Know
What To Do With All This Nuclear Waste?

It is.

Stuff You Should Know
What To Do With All This Nuclear Waste?

And I can't let an opportunity pass to shout out, If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies by Eliezer Yudkowsky and Nate Soares.

Stuff You Should Know
What To Do With All This Nuclear Waste?

It's so good where they just lay out a very straightforward example of how AI could just get out of control and how we humans would be in big trouble.

Stuff You Should Know
What To Do With All This Nuclear Waste?

And yet it's not like they're AI haters.

Stuff You Should Know
What To Do With All This Nuclear Waste?

They're just basically saying like, we're going at this at such a terrible pace, so recklessly that we need to put the brakes on globally and figure out how to do it safely and then do it.

Stuff You Should Know
What To Do With All This Nuclear Waste?

And then humanity can benefit from it.

Stuff You Should Know
What To Do With All This Nuclear Waste?

So they're not like Luddites or anything like that.

Stuff You Should Know
What To Do With All This Nuclear Waste?

And they know what they're talking about.