Juana Summers

In order to pursue these deportations, the government is using a rarely invoked part of the Immigration and Nationality Act that allows the U.S. Secretary of State to deport any non-citizen whose presence in the U.S. could be deemed to have, and I'm quoting here, adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States.

In order to pursue these deportations, the government is using a rarely invoked part of the Immigration and Nationality Act that allows the U.S. Secretary of State to deport any non-citizen whose presence in the U.S. could be deemed to have, and I'm quoting here, adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States.

In order to pursue these deportations, the government is using a rarely invoked part of the Immigration and Nationality Act that allows the U.S. Secretary of State to deport any non-citizen whose presence in the U.S. could be deemed to have, and I'm quoting here, adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States.

Secretary of State Marco Rubio has made the claim that, Khalil's case at least, It's not about free speech, but it's about who is and who is not allowed to be in the country to begin with. What do you make of that argument?

Secretary of State Marco Rubio has made the claim that, Khalil's case at least, It's not about free speech, but it's about who is and who is not allowed to be in the country to begin with. What do you make of that argument?

Secretary of State Marco Rubio has made the claim that, Khalil's case at least, It's not about free speech, but it's about who is and who is not allowed to be in the country to begin with. What do you make of that argument?

The use of this obscure legal provision, to me, it seems really similar to what happened with the LA-8. How might you counter such an argument in a case like this?

The use of this obscure legal provision, to me, it seems really similar to what happened with the LA-8. How might you counter such an argument in a case like this?

The use of this obscure legal provision, to me, it seems really similar to what happened with the LA-8. How might you counter such an argument in a case like this?

If the government is successful in deporting someone like Khalil or Badr Khonsuri, what kind of ripple effects might that have for free speech in the United States?

If the government is successful in deporting someone like Khalil or Badr Khonsuri, what kind of ripple effects might that have for free speech in the United States?

If the government is successful in deporting someone like Khalil or Badr Khonsuri, what kind of ripple effects might that have for free speech in the United States?

David Cole is a former lawyer for the LA8 and National Legal Director for the ACLU. He is now at Georgetown Law. David, thank you so much for talking with us.

David Cole is a former lawyer for the LA8 and National Legal Director for the ACLU. He is now at Georgetown Law. David, thank you so much for talking with us.

David Cole is a former lawyer for the LA8 and National Legal Director for the ACLU. He is now at Georgetown Law. David, thank you so much for talking with us.

This episode was produced by Kira Wakeem with audio engineering by Hannah Glovna. It was edited by Sarah Handel and Nadia Lancey. Our executive producer is Sammy Yenigan. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Juana Summers.

This episode was produced by Kira Wakeem with audio engineering by Hannah Glovna. It was edited by Sarah Handel and Nadia Lancey. Our executive producer is Sammy Yenigan. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Juana Summers.

This episode was produced by Kira Wakeem with audio engineering by Hannah Glovna. It was edited by Sarah Handel and Nadia Lancey. Our executive producer is Sammy Yenigan. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Juana Summers.

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