Juana Summers

Governor, how do you intend to help people here heal from the trauma that they are experiencing?

Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, thank you so much for sitting down with us.

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Can you guess who President Trump is talking about here?

That is the president in 2017 praising Jerome Powell, his nominee for Federal Reserve chairman.

What does Trump say about Powell these days?

Well, here he is last November at an investment event.

It's a little different.

After their friendly start, the chairman and president had a rocky relationship during Trump's first term.

Things got worse as the COVID-19 pandemic wreaked havoc on the economy and inflation skyrocketed.

In 2024, when Trump ran for re-election, he said he wouldn't appoint Powell for another 10-year term.

And things have only gotten worse since Trump was sworn in last January.

He's called Powell a political hack, among other things.