Judea Pearl

Interpretation means looking backward, doing introspection.

Experiment, correct.

You have to have additional information to cross from the intervention level to the interpretation level.

Because you go, you say, look what I've seen, that David killed Goliath, and what would have happened had the wind been differently, okay?

I don't think they disagree.

They don't address it.

I haven't, well, Jeff Hinton came up with the statement that we are facing a deadlock.

He mentioned that, that this is not the way to get AGI, but he didn't elaborate on the causal component.

Absolutely, yes.

I don't see any computational impediments to that horrifying dream.

And, of course, we're already seeing the dangers of LLM when they fall into the hands of bad actors.

Mm-hmm.

But that's not what you're worried about.

You're worried about a truly AGI system that will take over and maybe a danger to humanity.

Definitely foresee that possible.

I can see how it can acquire free will and consciousness and desire to play around with people.

Yeah.

That is quite feasible.

It doesn't mean that I'm going to stop working or understanding AI and its capability simply because I want to understand myself.

There are many other people that are worried about it, like Stuart Russell and others.