Judith Moritz

Twelve.

I'm quite creative, so I like playing hockey and kind of drawing and stuff like that.

I feel like thinking about the news all the time would just make me a bit depressed.

Yeah, and it would kind of not make me enjoy life as much as usual.

I'm 13 and yeah, they're pretty scary, especially because they happen so close to where I live.

But I haven't experienced it personally ever.

You know, it's really interesting.

And look, it's great, isn't it, to hear Jewish kids saying we've not experienced this.

I think that what they are experiencing, though, and certainly you heard there from the boy who's going to a Jewish school who has to get through that security, is this normalisation.

even though they may not themselves have been targeted or have experienced, thankfully, any sort of abuse, what they have done is had to navigate perhaps security measures and other protocols that non-Jewish children won't have done.

Now, that, of course, doesn't apply to everybody.

There are plenty of Jewish people in the UK who haven't experienced anti-Semitism.

I think that

The more overt you are, the more you display signs of your Jewish faith and culture, perhaps in the area you may be in, the more likely one might think you may be to experience it.

So, you know, we have come across during the making of the panorama and our other work, we've come across Jewish men saying that they won't go out and about showing their skull cap, their kippah.

One man told us that he has gone and bought a baseball cap this weekend so that when he goes into central London...

He's not displaying that sign.

I've spoken to women who say that they have taken steps to take off their Star of David necklace, although one woman then said, actually, no, I thought she said, I'm going to be proud about this.

I'll put it back on and see what happens.

So it's that sort of thing, or perhaps the ultra-Orthodox members of the community who you will see wearing traditional garb.