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Judith Shulevitz

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The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: Sabbath and the Art of Rest

Thank you so much. It's a pleasure to be here.

The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: Sabbath and the Art of Rest

Thank you so much. It's a pleasure to be here.

The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: Sabbath and the Art of Rest

I would argue that they're trying to create meaning. I think of all the rules around the Sabbath sort of telling you to stop doing things, which are the should nots, as creating a kind of frame. If you think of it in space rather than in time, or you think of a frame in time rather than in space, or you could think of it as a proscenium around a stage.

The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: Sabbath and the Art of Rest

I would argue that they're trying to create meaning. I think of all the rules around the Sabbath sort of telling you to stop doing things, which are the should nots, as creating a kind of frame. If you think of it in space rather than in time, or you think of a frame in time rather than in space, or you could think of it as a proscenium around a stage.

The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: Sabbath and the Art of Rest

Or you could think of it as a break after a line of poetry. These are things that create meaning. They sort of bound time and say, this is going to be special. Now we're going to make something extraordinary out of the ordinary. Because the ordinary stuff of the Sabbath isn't that extraordinary, right? You're supposed to have a meal. The Jewish Sabbath has a big Friday night meal.

The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: Sabbath and the Art of Rest

Or you could think of it as a break after a line of poetry. These are things that create meaning. They sort of bound time and say, this is going to be special. Now we're going to make something extraordinary out of the ordinary. Because the ordinary stuff of the Sabbath isn't that extraordinary, right? You're supposed to have a meal. The Jewish Sabbath has a big Friday night meal.

The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: Sabbath and the Art of Rest

Sometimes it's a big lunch after synagogue. The Christian Sabbath had a big old Sunday lunch. The Black Church is famous for its fabulous lunches. Could be a dinner party, right? But it's something else, right? You are supposed to come together. You know, in a Christian idiom, I'd say you're supposed to break bread. So you're supposed to be collective.

The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: Sabbath and the Art of Rest

Sometimes it's a big lunch after synagogue. The Christian Sabbath had a big old Sunday lunch. The Black Church is famous for its fabulous lunches. Could be a dinner party, right? But it's something else, right? You are supposed to come together. You know, in a Christian idiom, I'd say you're supposed to break bread. So you're supposed to be collective.

The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: Sabbath and the Art of Rest

You are supposed to let your mind wander, wool gather, have a moment of just letting go. Not all the time, some of the time. But these are the positive things that the frame gives a special gloss to the way it does a work of art. It says this space here, it's meaning. Makes sense of it.

The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: Sabbath and the Art of Rest

You are supposed to let your mind wander, wool gather, have a moment of just letting go. Not all the time, some of the time. But these are the positive things that the frame gives a special gloss to the way it does a work of art. It says this space here, it's meaning. Makes sense of it.

The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: Sabbath and the Art of Rest

So there's a lot of different ways of thinking about that. The typical rabbinic way of explaining that is that there are these set of rules, set of a kind of work that you don't do because that kind of work is acting on the world. And the Sabbath is a time when you're supposed to stop acting on the world. You're supposed to stop doing things to make things.

The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: Sabbath and the Art of Rest

So there's a lot of different ways of thinking about that. The typical rabbinic way of explaining that is that there are these set of rules, set of a kind of work that you don't do because that kind of work is acting on the world. And the Sabbath is a time when you're supposed to stop acting on the world. You're supposed to stop doing things to make things.

The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: Sabbath and the Art of Rest

You're supposed to let the world rest as well as you. So this is the sort of environmental dimension of the Sabbath. But pre the environmental movement, there was a great rabbi in Germany, and he said, what is there to safeguard the world from man? And that's the Sabbath.

The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: Sabbath and the Art of Rest

You're supposed to let the world rest as well as you. So this is the sort of environmental dimension of the Sabbath. But pre the environmental movement, there was a great rabbi in Germany, and he said, what is there to safeguard the world from man? And that's the Sabbath.

The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: Sabbath and the Art of Rest

So these rules, you could almost say these rules are to safeguard the world from man, but also to safeguard you from being an eternal slave. Today, we would say of the clock. In the deep past, we might have said from the struggle to survive. Another way of thinking of the rules is as a giant neutral non-compete clause or a solution to the problem of collective action.

The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: Sabbath and the Art of Rest

So these rules, you could almost say these rules are to safeguard the world from man, but also to safeguard you from being an eternal slave. Today, we would say of the clock. In the deep past, we might have said from the struggle to survive. Another way of thinking of the rules is as a giant neutral non-compete clause or a solution to the problem of collective action.

The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: Sabbath and the Art of Rest

So let's take it in the modern world. If I run a store and everyone else is going to keep their store open on Saturday or on Sunday, it's very hard for me to shut my store down. I'm not going to be able to compete. I'm going to lose business to someone else. But if everyone's shutting their store down, then I'm cool, I'm good.

The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: Sabbath and the Art of Rest

So let's take it in the modern world. If I run a store and everyone else is going to keep their store open on Saturday or on Sunday, it's very hard for me to shut my store down. I'm not going to be able to compete. I'm going to lose business to someone else. But if everyone's shutting their store down, then I'm cool, I'm good.

The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: Sabbath and the Art of Rest

I can just go do my thing, whatever it is, go to church or stay home with my stack of books or just hang out with my family, whatever it is. So those are some of the things that I think the rules are meant to create or prevent.

The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: Sabbath and the Art of Rest

I can just go do my thing, whatever it is, go to church or stay home with my stack of books or just hang out with my family, whatever it is. So those are some of the things that I think the rules are meant to create or prevent.

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