Juju Chang

So they felt very strongly that they didn't give up.

I mean, you talk about heart, but Vince Zavala is one of those people I fall in love with in these stories.

He worked on farms as a young man, and he literally retired to go be a pomegranate farmer.

And, you know, you talked about the producers who've done the work.

Our senior producer, Sean Dooley, went shooting in this misty pomegranate farm, and it looked like something out of Cecil B. DeMille.

That's Sean, exactly.

But it really showed his heart.

He could have just literally ridden off in the sunset on his tractor having solved all these cases and been a man of law.

But this one struck in his craw too.

And this one was one that he just did not want to give up on.

And so when I see that level of determination and you see a tough guy, a 40-year veteran of law enforcement, get choked up talking about arresting this man and seeing him finally after 20 years being put behind bars...

I mean, that's what makes true crime really gratifying.

Yeah, it was, you know, spending time with Sarah, you could see that this is something that you just, you know, you talk about victim's impact.

It's just, it cannot be fully described.

And yet Sarah tried.

She gave a victim's impact statement.

And kind of like that book, The Lovely Bones, she spoke in her daughter's voice in the courtroom.

It was, you could hear a pin drop.

Yeah.

And it was so dramatic.