Julia Keller

That's true. And sports is a great example. I mean, I think sports examples are terrific. I think sports is one of the, some of the great metaphors for life. The example I often use is Scottie Pippen, who is persistently asked about his 1992 playoff game when he quit, when he wouldn't go back on the court after a timeout right at the end of the game, because he was mad to

That's true. And sports is a great example. I mean, I think sports examples are terrific. I think sports is one of the, some of the great metaphors for life. The example I often use is Scottie Pippen, who is persistently asked about his 1992 playoff game when he quit, when he wouldn't go back on the court after a timeout right at the end of the game, because he was mad to

The coach had decided to let another player take the final shot, and Scottie Pippen was mad. And so he sulked and he quit. He quit on his team. That has dogged him and followed him for lo these many years. As great a champion as he is, Michael Jordan's great, great teammate, he still carries that stigma of being a quitter.

The coach had decided to let another player take the final shot, and Scottie Pippen was mad. And so he sulked and he quit. He quit on his team. That has dogged him and followed him for lo these many years. As great a champion as he is, Michael Jordan's great, great teammate, he still carries that stigma of being a quitter.

The coach had decided to let another player take the final shot, and Scottie Pippen was mad. And so he sulked and he quit. He quit on his team. That has dogged him and followed him for lo these many years. As great a champion as he is, Michael Jordan's great, great teammate, he still carries that stigma of being a quitter.

I would argue, though, that it's up to each individual in their own heart and mind. Yes, we owe to our teammates, definitely. But sometimes we're better off not being in there if we're not going to be able to perform at a high level. In terms of the Scottie Pippen example, I'd say, you know, maybe he understood that he just really wasn't, you know, now because he was so upset.

I would argue, though, that it's up to each individual in their own heart and mind. Yes, we owe to our teammates, definitely. But sometimes we're better off not being in there if we're not going to be able to perform at a high level. In terms of the Scottie Pippen example, I'd say, you know, maybe he understood that he just really wasn't, you know, now because he was so upset.

I would argue, though, that it's up to each individual in their own heart and mind. Yes, we owe to our teammates, definitely. But sometimes we're better off not being in there if we're not going to be able to perform at a high level. In terms of the Scottie Pippen example, I'd say, you know, maybe he understood that he just really wasn't, you know, now because he was so upset.

And you can argue that maybe it wasn't the most mature thing to be that upset. But again, that's between him and his coaches and his... you know, his members of his team, not for me to judge. I just think that we're so quick to look at quitting as a negative and to not give people the option, the kind of elbow room, the psychological and spiritual elbow room to make another decision.

And you can argue that maybe it wasn't the most mature thing to be that upset. But again, that's between him and his coaches and his... you know, his members of his team, not for me to judge. I just think that we're so quick to look at quitting as a negative and to not give people the option, the kind of elbow room, the psychological and spiritual elbow room to make another decision.

And you can argue that maybe it wasn't the most mature thing to be that upset. But again, that's between him and his coaches and his... you know, his members of his team, not for me to judge. I just think that we're so quick to look at quitting as a negative and to not give people the option, the kind of elbow room, the psychological and spiritual elbow room to make another decision.

And we end up being really, really stuck.

And we end up being really, really stuck.

And we end up being really, really stuck.

Oh, no, no, no. They do all the time. You know, I just saw an interview the other day, Ryan Reynolds being interviewed by David Letterman on that Letterman show that's on Netflix now. And he interviews celebrities for not very long, but I find them very revelatory. And he says to Ryan Reynolds, well, when you came to Hollywood, I guess you didn't have a plan B, huh?

Oh, no, no, no. They do all the time. You know, I just saw an interview the other day, Ryan Reynolds being interviewed by David Letterman on that Letterman show that's on Netflix now. And he interviews celebrities for not very long, but I find them very revelatory. And he says to Ryan Reynolds, well, when you came to Hollywood, I guess you didn't have a plan B, huh?

Oh, no, no, no. They do all the time. You know, I just saw an interview the other day, Ryan Reynolds being interviewed by David Letterman on that Letterman show that's on Netflix now. And he interviews celebrities for not very long, but I find them very revelatory. And he says to Ryan Reynolds, well, when you came to Hollywood, I guess you didn't have a plan B, huh?

You knew you were going to make it. And Ryan Reynolds looks at him and laughs and says, didn't have a plan B. I had a plan B, C, D, E, F. I mean, he was quite ready to change if it hadn't worked out. Now, it didn't work out. But that's one of the points I try to make is that no one's saying it's going to work out.

You knew you were going to make it. And Ryan Reynolds looks at him and laughs and says, didn't have a plan B. I had a plan B, C, D, E, F. I mean, he was quite ready to change if it hadn't worked out. Now, it didn't work out. But that's one of the points I try to make is that no one's saying it's going to work out.

You knew you were going to make it. And Ryan Reynolds looks at him and laughs and says, didn't have a plan B. I had a plan B, C, D, E, F. I mean, he was quite ready to change if it hadn't worked out. Now, it didn't work out. But that's one of the points I try to make is that no one's saying it's going to work out.