Julia Shaw

To see what's possible, because you have to push it to also show that it's... that I can do this in this context so that we can warn police to not do this.

So I said, we had these two instances that your parents reported, and one of them was...

you had a skiing accident, blah, blah, blah.

Let's start with that one.

The second one was an incident where you were in contact with the police.

But we'll get to that.

So we first have 20 minutes talking about the true memory, which people, you know, they're getting going.

It feels good.

I've got a structured interview as well, which I'll then mirror in the false memory.

So it all feels very legit.

And then we get to the second memory.

And I say this

You know, there's this other important memory that your parents recalled.

And then they'd say, I don't remember that.

And I'd say, oh, OK, but I have this really detailed account.

All you have to do is remember it.

And then I would do the illusion of transparency, which is a really powerful psychological tool, which is to make people feel like they know what's going on when they don't really.

And the thing I would do is just say, well, you know, if you want to, we can do this memory retrieval technique called this imagination exercise.

And I don't like to call it repression, but sometimes we hide away memories that we don't like about ourselves.

And I'm using words that people know and mechanisms that people have heard of that are, frankly, quite disputed in actual science.