Lex Fridman Podcast
#483 โ Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex
And so I'm worried about this.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#483 โ Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex
And so I'm going to keep my distance.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#483 โ Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex
And so creepiness is much the same.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#483 โ Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex
And that's where you can totally misfire whom you perceive as creepy just because they're not acting in the way that you expect people to act in society.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#483 โ Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex
It depends.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#483 โ Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex
If they're too attractive, it can be.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#483 โ Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex
So there's effects that interact there.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#483 โ Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex
And we also don't trust people potentially who are too attractive.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#483 โ Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex
But again, deviation from the norm.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#483 โ Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex
And so if you're deviating in any way, that can lead to, well, your assessment being more wrong, but also you assessing people as more negative.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#483 โ Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex
And so with, yeah, with creepiness, the main thing that bothers me as a criminal psychologist is that tangential to creepiness is this general idea of trustworthiness and that you can tell whether somebody is lying.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#483 โ Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex
And I've done research on this, as have lots of other people, like Aldert Fry is one of the leading researchers on deception detection.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#483 โ Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex
And he has found in so many studies that it's really hard to detect whether someone is lying reliably.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#483 โ Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex
And that people, especially police officers, people who do investigative interviewing, they have this high confidence level.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#483 โ Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex
that they, because of their vast experience, can in fact tell whether the person across from them is lying to them, this witness, this suspect.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#483 โ Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex
And the answer to that, even that, if you take them into experimental settings, they are no better than chance at detecting lies.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#483 โ Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex
And yet they think they are.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#483 โ Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex
And so again, you get into this path where you're going to miss people who are actually lying to you potentially, and you're going to potentially point at innocent people and say, I think you're guilty of this crime.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#483 โ Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex
And you go hard on that person in a way that might even lead to a wrongful conviction.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#483 โ Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex
Not just policing, in relationships and in lots of other contexts as well.