Julian Morgans

And then the third group, making money from KK Park, are just the individual businesses that sublet its buildings. Some of these are Chinese, some of these originally from Taiwan or Hong Kong, and it's not totally clear if these interests are connected to the Chinese triads or if they're just operating in the same space. It's all very complicated, multi-layered and deliberately murky.

And then the third group, making money from KK Park, are just the individual businesses that sublet its buildings. Some of these are Chinese, some of these originally from Taiwan or Hong Kong, and it's not totally clear if these interests are connected to the Chinese triads or if they're just operating in the same space. It's all very complicated, multi-layered and deliberately murky.

But this is indicative of Myanmar's scammer farm management structures just in general. I mean, it sounds to me, this is wild speculation on my part. It sounds to me that they're being somewhat sanctioned by the Chinese government. The scale, the sort of the audacity of the thing makes it sound to me like if the Chinese, you know, if the Chinese Communist Party wanted to shut them down.

But this is indicative of Myanmar's scammer farm management structures just in general. I mean, it sounds to me, this is wild speculation on my part. It sounds to me that they're being somewhat sanctioned by the Chinese government. The scale, the sort of the audacity of the thing makes it sound to me like if the Chinese, you know, if the Chinese Communist Party wanted to shut them down.

I don't know. It just doesn't sound like a purely black market thing. It sounds a little bit gray market to me.

I don't know. It just doesn't sound like a purely black market thing. It sounds a little bit gray market to me.

As you might have noticed by now, Judah has an intimate knowledge of the inner workings of scammer farms. He really is one of the few people on the planet who knows the intricacies of this hidden world. But we're going to take a quick ad break here. And when we return, we're going to dig in even further with him as he describes how the farms are adapting and developing AI in terrifying new ways.

As you might have noticed by now, Judah has an intimate knowledge of the inner workings of scammer farms. He really is one of the few people on the planet who knows the intricacies of this hidden world. But we're going to take a quick ad break here. And when we return, we're going to dig in even further with him as he describes how the farms are adapting and developing AI in terrifying new ways.

Hey, welcome back. So we've been speaking with a man named Judah Tanner, and he watched as the first scammer farms got built during COVID. And he knows more than almost anyone in the Western world about how they originated and how they operate. And he admitted to me that he's actually kind of in awe at the cold brilliance of their business model.

Hey, welcome back. So we've been speaking with a man named Judah Tanner, and he watched as the first scammer farms got built during COVID. And he knows more than almost anyone in the Western world about how they originated and how they operate. And he admitted to me that he's actually kind of in awe at the cold brilliance of their business model.

This is something else that keeps coming up as we've been investigating this story. Just how technologically advanced these scammer farms have become. I said in an earlier episode how each farm has a department of young women who get on the phones with their victims.

This is something else that keeps coming up as we've been investigating this story. Just how technologically advanced these scammer farms have become. I said in an earlier episode how each farm has a department of young women who get on the phones with their victims.

Well, they can also get on FaceTime or on Zoom because the scammer farms have this custom AI technology that allows them to digitally wrap completely convincing looking faces over their models. So you might be on a call looking at a woman whose facial expressions seem completely natural and convincing.

Well, they can also get on FaceTime or on Zoom because the scammer farms have this custom AI technology that allows them to digitally wrap completely convincing looking faces over their models. So you might be on a call looking at a woman whose facial expressions seem completely natural and convincing.

But actually, you're just looking at a digital mask superimposed over the actual face of the person that you're speaking with. According to Judah, it's this kind of technology that's impressing even people who are working in AI.

But actually, you're just looking at a digital mask superimposed over the actual face of the person that you're speaking with. According to Judah, it's this kind of technology that's impressing even people who are working in AI.

Hearing Judas say this makes me feel a bit hopeless. It's just the sheer scale and power of this industry. The way it's so untouchable, yet in plain sight. Scamming is really, really lucrative. And these shady organizations and military junters, they're experiencing this period of fantasy wealth and freedom. They want some custom cutting-edge piece of AI technology? Not a problem.

Hearing Judas say this makes me feel a bit hopeless. It's just the sheer scale and power of this industry. The way it's so untouchable, yet in plain sight. Scamming is really, really lucrative. And these shady organizations and military junters, they're experiencing this period of fantasy wealth and freedom. They want some custom cutting-edge piece of AI technology? Not a problem.

They just get it built. Or they want some new complex of multi-story office buildings in a field? No worries. They can get that built too. Anything they want, they can do it. But actually, Judah was telling me that for some of the farms, all of this power seems to be going to their heads in kind of weird ways. And one of them is how they approach torture and punishment.

They just get it built. Or they want some new complex of multi-story office buildings in a field? No worries. They can get that built too. Anything they want, they can do it. But actually, Judah was telling me that for some of the farms, all of this power seems to be going to their heads in kind of weird ways. And one of them is how they approach torture and punishment.