Julie Menanno

couples through a self-help version of the treatment that I do in my practice with couples.

And then the podcast is doing that with a couple, doing the book with a couple, you know, so people can like use the book to get to the work and then use the couple to see the work come alive.

Yeah, I really try.

I mean, I really like I comment through that throughout the whole thing.

Like this is why I'm doing this with this partner.

This is what I'm hoping for.

This is going to be the result.

And it's kind of like, OK, my version of trying to walk people through a therapeutic process that they can't maybe access on their own, because I'm sure you know, like how difficult it can be to.

Yeah.

And just sometimes, you know.

the quality isn't so great or it's hard for couples to coordinate their schedules if they're both having to work, you know.

So there's a lot of barriers to good couples therapy.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

No, it's been great.

I appreciate getting to know you a bit.

You're welcome.

Um, yeah, the secure relationship.com.

And then my Instagram is, um,

is the secure relationship at the secure relationship.