Jum Wallner

I would let the governments know, just want to let you know that it would look really bad if he dies and you announce his scheme a week after, won't it?

They knew that.

So just want to let you know what the timeline is.

right so maybe you should speed things up a bit although I said it more gently than that campaigner friend I would I made a really sad playlist full of all the saddest songs I could find and I would go for walks in parks not in footpaths because parks you can avoid people if you're crying and just listen to these sad songs and

Just lean into it, really, and just think about the sadness of it all.

I called it designated grieving time and just give myself plenty of time to feel really sad about it because it was really sad, not try and think, I'll do that after.

And I felt that doing that, actually creating this designated time to lean into it, helped me be active the rest of the time.

Yeah.

Well, the first thing I thought was,

I'm here getting paid to be the MC.

He's there on an official role.

Can I lobby him?

And then I thought... Of course you can.

My God, yes, I have to.

This is the closest I've got to face-to-face contact with a minister.

So I waited till the end of the night and there was a guy I was talking to and I kept looking over my shoulder because I didn't want Angus to sneak out and the guy went...

Someone else you'd rather be talking to, mate?

And I went, yes, sorry, I've really got to get him.

And I ran over to him and I said, look, someone had said to me, don't ask him for help, ask him for advice.

So I said, can I get some advice?