Jum Wallner

All you had to do to go out was open your door into the corridor and there'd be some people chatting.

I spent, yeah, a lot of it just, as you say, meaninglessly chatting away, bantering with him and others.

It was unreal.

We never lived again in the same city.

I stayed in Sydney and moved three times in the same suburb.

He moved to England, travelled through Africa, lived in Wollongong, Townsville, then back to Canberra.

So, you know, who's to say who's the more adventurous of the two of us?

And...

We both were kind of open about the fact that with families and careers, friendship, something had to give and a little bit of it was friendship.

Neither of us made a huge effort when we saw each other.

We kind of laugh about it.

You know, I probably won't call you.

And I think looking back on it, we just assumed time was abundant.

And of course, time isn't abundant, but it takes a while to realise that.

And so whenever we saw each other or talked, we were close, but we didn't see each other as much as we could have.

I became a corporate lawyer and it just wasn't for me.

The first morning they said, just make sure you read the financial review because that's your world now.

And I thought, what am I doing here?

I've never even been into that section of the paper.

And it...