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Justin Drake

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Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

The smallest NIST standardized post-quantum signature is Falcon, which is 666 bytes, more than 10 times larger.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

And so if you were to naively swap out ECDSA for something that is post-quantum secure without increasing the block size, your throughput is going to go down roughly 10x.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

So your TPS on Bitcoin will go from 3 to 0.3, which in my opinion is a non-starter.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

And so...

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

What we're building for Ethereum is this fancy post-quantum signature aggregation technology so that you don't put the raw signatures, even if they're large on-chain, you only put this aggregation proof.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

And my bet is that Bitcoin is going to adopt the solution that Bitcoin will develop because there's just no other technically sound way forward.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

Yes.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

Now, unfortunately, you know, if your property writes maxi, this is not completely satisfactory.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

No.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

And the reason is that there are some subsets of the frozen addresses for which there is no known seed phrase.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

So, for example, the seed phrase standard only came several years after Genesis.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

So all of the earlier, all the Satoshi addresses, for example, won't have a corresponding seed phrase.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

And there's some wallets, for example, MPC-based wallets, where there is no corresponding seed phrase.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

So it's not a perfect solution, but it gets you 80% of the way there.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

Yes.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

The other thing I wanted to highlight is that a lot of people think that when you steal Bitcoin, the price of BTC, the asset will crash.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

And then, you know, the asset that you've stolen will be worthless.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

But there actually is a way to basically hedge the price of Bitcoin, which is very easy.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

You just go short BTC.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

So let's say you know for sure that you've cracked the private key of a wallet that holds, let's say, 100,000 BTC.