Justin Ishbia

And there's so many REITs out there with public leases.

We have them ourselves.

Just take the REIT that's out there, use the lease from somebody else, and just move it over and make the same terms.

And so that's how we think about it.

But the other products that we do in the future, but it has to help my base business.

I have to have an unfair advantage.

So picking the actual buyer, I'm 0 for 14 on our 14 sales.

I never picked the right buyer.

But prior founding, sure, we're totally private.

I confirm my partners have as well.

I hear in my mind over and over again, my old boss wanted to buy.

I can think what they used to say over and over again.

And so how I think about it, it goes back to how we organize.

We always say industry, management, company.

Back at the very beginning of the conversation on the industry, the roadmap, industry is growing.

And I think about industry growth of a 15-year cycle.

15 years has got to be my whole period, five years, my buyer's whole period, five years, my buyer's buyer.

It's kind of a 15-year time period.

We've sold to public companies, LabCorp and HOMA, big public companies.

We sold to the biggest, the biggest private equity funds, KKR, TA Associates.