Justin Jackson

Not trying to lump you in with the scene that like you agree with everything he says. Don't want to get you canceled. But the idea that there's this whole wave of like dev tools companies that are like trying to simplify in a way that just like people aren't learning things they should probably learn anymore or new engineers that are coming into the field.

It's kind of like trying to shield them from something that would be valuable lessons to learn. Do you agree with all that?

It's kind of like trying to shield them from something that would be valuable lessons to learn. Do you agree with all that?

Yeah, if I think about our early career, there could have been the generation before us looking at us writing our Java and our C Sharp and whatever and being like, this generation hadn't even learned assembly or they're not even writing stuff in C anymore. And I've gone my whole career and hadn't had to do either of those things.

Yeah, if I think about our early career, there could have been the generation before us looking at us writing our Java and our C Sharp and whatever and being like, this generation hadn't even learned assembly or they're not even writing stuff in C anymore. And I've gone my whole career and hadn't had to do either of those things.

So it's possible that this whole wave coming in now will never have to know how to manage a server or manage lower level stuff like, I don't know, Nginx and whatever else. Yeah.

So it's possible that this whole wave coming in now will never have to know how to manage a server or manage lower level stuff like, I don't know, Nginx and whatever else. Yeah.

I mean, like Vercel for me is like, it's like CICD, which just feels like a commodity at this point. I mean, like people are, that was the initial big thing. It's like, I can just push to GitHub and not think about it. It's like, yeah, you can do that with like 15 services now. Or like even the underlying stuff, it's getting easier and easier to do that with. Do you agree with that?

I mean, like Vercel for me is like, it's like CICD, which just feels like a commodity at this point. I mean, like people are, that was the initial big thing. It's like, I can just push to GitHub and not think about it. It's like, yeah, you can do that with like 15 services now. Or like even the underlying stuff, it's getting easier and easier to do that with. Do you agree with that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that the nature of like diminishing returns or something with progress and technology? No, technology historically just goes up real big. It's like a curve that keeps getting more impressive, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that the nature of like diminishing returns or something with progress and technology? No, technology historically just goes up real big. It's like a curve that keeps getting more impressive, right?

Like, I'm going to make a hosted Postgres service. It's going to be amazing.

Like, I'm going to make a hosted Postgres service. It's going to be amazing.

that just gets way too much money poured into it. Yeah. And we're still... We're going to watch the unraveling of that in DevTools for a while, right?

that just gets way too much money poured into it. Yeah. And we're still... We're going to watch the unraveling of that in DevTools for a while, right?

So are there examples like I feel like you see so many examples on the wrong side of this where they're not taking big bets? Are there examples that you admire that did take big bets, like that are active startups that you feel like actually chose the right size kind of thing? Yeah.

So are there examples like I feel like you see so many examples on the wrong side of this where they're not taking big bets? Are there examples that you admire that did take big bets, like that are active startups that you feel like actually chose the right size kind of thing? Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We are quite boring. Yeah, I'm quite bored. I'm bored with much of the discourse. And it's helped me kind of get off of Twitter and not be that active right now.