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JVL (Jonathan V. Last)

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409 total appearances

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The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: We Got a Billionaire Problem

Like your belly button?

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The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: We Got a Billionaire Problem

No, not those ones.

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The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: We Got a Billionaire Problem

Sea drones.

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The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: We Got a Billionaire Problem

So putting drones in the water.

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The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: We Got a Billionaire Problem

And what worries me about that is that sea drones, sea-based drones, will wind up being categorically different from aerial drones because of the way data transfer works through water.

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The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: We Got a Billionaire Problem

Okay.

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The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: We Got a Billionaire Problem

Because what it means is where you can transmit data and so you can have human control over aerial drones and land-based drones, either through, you know, broadcast means or through wire, you know, fly-by-wire, which is what a lot of the Ukrainian drones are.

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The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: We Got a Billionaire Problem

Once you get into sea-based drones, by definition, they're almost going to all have to be autonomous.

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The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: We Got a Billionaire Problem

Right.

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The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: We Got a Billionaire Problem

And so, you know, like people are concerned about autonomous drones on the battlefield and in the air.

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The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: We Got a Billionaire Problem

And I am also concerned about that because I think in a weird way, that's like the perfect use case for AI.

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The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: We Got a Billionaire Problem

You know, AI has all sorts of like it fucks up a certain percentage of the time.

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The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: We Got a Billionaire Problem

And one place where humans are historically very comfortable with fuck ups is warfighting.

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The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: We Got a Billionaire Problem

So humans have often said, I do not care if this technology kills the wrong people and some civilians, so long as it kills a lot of the people I also want to kill.

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The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: We Got a Billionaire Problem

So I think we're going to have a very high tolerance for that sort of thing with aerial drones and land-based drones.

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The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: We Got a Billionaire Problem

We're going to get there with drones, sea-based drones, and they're all going to have to be autonomous drones.

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The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: We Got a Billionaire Problem

Not a 20% scenario.

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The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: We Got a Billionaire Problem

This isn't like a thing that tomorrow worries me.

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The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: We Got a Billionaire Problem

But when I project forward what the future of warfighting looks like.

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The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: We Got a Billionaire Problem

Not about sea life.

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