Jyunmi Hatcher

Whether or not you connect with that or align with that, that's another thing.

But I think it's important that...

people take that uh that extra step right it's like the concept of you don't nowadays you don't need to be a coder to at least get you your mvp right but you need to understand coding

or be able to read it fairly well to understand what your, you know, your magical mix in your cauldron is doing, right?

You need to, you need to understand or know what you're looking at so that you can ask questions that you don't, uh, you know, you, you don't normally get to answer.

And I guess that's part of the whole vibe coding or, uh, what's the more, uh, the newer technical term that they're trying to push, like, uh,

code-assisted programming or something like that, or a coding-assistant programming.

But yeah, providing that context really, I think, really helps.

And I guess it does make people more technical.

I'm sure you could probably get by without doing it, but then that comes to the conversation of you're using AI.

So doesn't it, as part of your process, you should understand what's going on, at least from that perspective.

Yeah.

All right.

I think Jeff got the one I was trying to look for, the new term, agentic engineering.

So thank you, Jeff.

And I do love Cisco's new term.

Maybe that will be the DAS term.

Cisco, how do we pronounce the... I did not want it if...

Right.

So so there's there's a couple approaches there to your your future genetic engineering.