Jürgen Klopp

Michael came after I left.

He was not there anymore.

It was not because we had a problem or whatever, not at all.

It was just they wanted to find a leader for the pack and found it with Michael and Richard.

And Arne obviously now working really close together.

So that was the decision.

But there was a time there was no Richard, no Michael, no Julian Ward.

So it was just me sitting there, like on top of all the things.

And we had to win football games, but all the rest was on my plate as well.

It was an intense time.

There wasn't a structure around you in that regard?

COVID changed a lot.

I mean, people didn't fly as much anymore.

The owners didn't come that often over.

It was like budget calls were on the phone, more or less.

We brought in Jörg Schmadtke, the German, because we didn't have a sporting director at the time, in fact.

Julian came back, but then I don't even know exactly why he left again.

So these kind of things that just happened.

And the only guys who were always there were we, the coaches and the football team.

So they were just the normal staff over a day.