Kail Lowry

Because you don't want them to surprise you on the witness stand or what?

And have you ever had a client testify and say, I plead the fifth?

No.

Does that help or hurt a case?

But that's weird to me because the same people who very well may be innocent and they immediately ask for an attorney, because that's what I would do, immediately ask for an attorney, that can also be seen by the court of public opinion, of course.

Court of public opinion, yes.

Right.

So-

it's so interesting to me because it's like, okay, ask for an attorney right away, but then don't ever plead the fifth, right?

So you could be innocent and asking for an attorney, but you could also be innocent or guilty and plead the fifth, but that makes you look guilty and asking for it.

Do you get what I'm saying?

Like it all kind of feels like you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I always worry about that though, because I have lived so long in some level of a spotlight that I, my first thought every single day, every conversation I have, every, when I go out in public is how will this be perceived?

And that's like,

Honestly, it's like PTSD.

Like I would argue that it's kind of similar to that because I have been conditioned this way for so long.

How will this be perceived?

Even though I know that it happened this way, it's going to be shown this way.

And so how will this be perceived?

And so that's gotten, actually, it has hurt me to think that way as well because I'll be on the defense right off rip and then it doesn't get perceived well.