Kail Lowry

And, you know, things like that.

And so I think sometimes that is, that is the punishment because no amount of jail time can cause someone to have that sort of guilty conscience or, um, shame for their crime.

And it doesn't matter if they're in prison for a year, two years, five years, they're going to live with that regardless for the rest of their lives.

And that is enough for them to be torn up, not the jail time.

Like the jail time essentially at that point is, um,

Kind of a moot point.

And I'm not saying all cases are that way, but just based on the books that I've read or shows that I've seen, I'm like, okay, maybe that wasn't the best option is jail time.

And it's not regret.

And it's attached to everything you do at that point is why don't deserve this because I'm a bad person or I don't deserve this because I did this.

That goes beyond, you know, I wish I didn't do that.

It goes so much further than that, in my opinion.

As you know, being an undocumented immigrant is not a crime, but people call undocumented immigrants illegal.

Yeah.

Can you legally defend a person who is undocumented for a crime?

If they're undocumented, they can still retain a criminal defense attorney?

Yes.

Okay, interesting.

Have you ever done that?

Truly.

Do undocumented immigrants ever face other risks by reporting crime?