Kal Penn

You saw this with the Trump video in the Oval Office, but he definitely appreciates, there are plenty of people who may disagree with him on policy or tactics or anything, but he's not afraid to actually have a conversation.

a friendly is too trite of a word, but like a human conversation with somebody about shared goals and things like that.

And I just feel like, who does that anymore?

So it's been exciting.

And yes, went to inauguration, it was so cold, but a really special morning.

I think like a lot of people, like I watched it live and, you know, I was like sitting like this very seriously as it started.

And by the end, I was just like, this is amazing.

I think two things.

One, you know, the Zoran you see is really who he is and who he has always been, even since he was a kid.

So it does not surprise me that he

charmed the president in that sense right um and wasn't because i feel like if you look at all these democrats whether it's schumer or hakeem jeffries or any of these people they're like like you know they're clearly intimidated by trump like if the only thing you can do

is to either agree with him or continue to fund ice or take a picture with a baseball bat and be like we did it then that's not there's nothing real about that right and i think zoran was not is not intimidated like i said he's he's happy to have a conversation with anybody and he does it in a very human way the flip side to that also is i feel like we're now in this place where

There's this manufactured outrage about anything the president does as if he didn't promise he was going to do it.

Exactly.

And he is an Emmy-nominated reality TV star.

You don't replicate that if you're a Democrat.

The mistake that I think even Gavin Newsom is making is,

you're punching down, trying to get all this traction on social media.

It feels good, it tracks, but it's all a response to this Emmy-nominated reality TV star.

You have to craft your own path in a positive, progressive, forward-thinking way that gets results if you actually want to drive the narrative.