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KallMeKris

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Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 113 | The HORRIFIC Mushroom Murders

And he described Erin as someone who, quote, just seemed like a normal person, unquote.

Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 113 | The HORRIFIC Mushroom Murders

And the relationship had been, quote, unquote, friendly and amicable, but without, quote, much depth, more like acquaintances, unquote.

Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 113 | The HORRIFIC Mushroom Murders

And he told the court what he had told the police.

Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 113 | The HORRIFIC Mushroom Murders

He had been happy about the lunch invitation,

Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 113 | The HORRIFIC Mushroom Murders

hopeful it might improve the relationship with Erin.

Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 113 | The HORRIFIC Mushroom Murders

Defense counsel Colin Mandy SC offered a simpler story.

Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 113 | The HORRIFIC Mushroom Murders

What happened was a tragedy, a terrible accident.

Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 113 | The HORRIFIC Mushroom Murders

Erin's lies, he argued, had been born from shock, not planning.

Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 113 | The HORRIFIC Mushroom Murders

She panicked because she was overwhelmed by the fact that these four people had become so ill because of the food that she'd served them.

Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 113 | The HORRIFIC Mushroom Murders

Not buying it, but keep going.

Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 113 | The HORRIFIC Mushroom Murders

And on motive, he pointed to its absence.

Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 113 | The HORRIFIC Mushroom Murders

She had no money issues, lived in a big house and had almost full-time custody of her two young children.

Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 113 | The HORRIFIC Mushroom Murders

But in the closing, Rogers, the prosecutor, told the jury they did not need to know why.

Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 113 | The HORRIFIC Mushroom Murders

Quote, "'You do not have to be satisfied what the motive was "'or even that there was one,' unquote.

Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 113 | The HORRIFIC Mushroom Murders

"'The why was unnecessary to convict.'"

Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 113 | The HORRIFIC Mushroom Murders

Because guilty beyond a reasonable doubt doesn't necessarily mean that they have to have a motive.

Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 113 | The HORRIFIC Mushroom Murders

There just needs to be evidence as to if they did it, right?

Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 113 | The HORRIFIC Mushroom Murders

Motive helps, but it is not necessary.

Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 113 | The HORRIFIC Mushroom Murders

So on July 7th, 2025, the jury came back and all 12 members were in agreement.

Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 113 | The HORRIFIC Mushroom Murders

Guilty on every count.