Karen Hao

Yeah.

I mean, going back to what you were saying earlier, that...

With this, the way that OpenAI and these companies control research, you asked, do they also do this with journalists?

I mean, yes, the answer is yes.

And apparently they also do it with anyone who has, you know, a broad mass communications platform.

It's not just about the conversation that you're going to have with them.

It's about who you also choose to platform.

And there's this huge problem in technology journalism where companies know that a really big carrot that they can give to technology journalists is access.

And they will withhold that access at the drop of a hat if they catch wind that you're speaking to someone that they didn't want you to speak to.

Yes, yeah.

Yeah, but this is such a huge part of their machinery, is the way that they use these tactics to massage the public image of these companies and make sure that information that they don't want out, and even opinions that they don't want out there, go out there.

And so this is, you know, I feel very lucky now that opening eyes shut the door early on me.

at the time I didn't feel lucky.

I felt like I had screwed myself over.

I was like, should I have been nicer to them in the profile so that I could maintain access?

Which is a horrible question to ask as a journalist, right?

Like you're supposed to report the truth and you're always supposed to report in the interest of the public.

Like that is the point of journalism.

And in that moment, I was like relatively junior in my career.

I was like,