Karen Hao

And what I'm saying is that this tension doesn't have to be a tension because we could actually preserve the utility and benefits of these technologies, but actually develop and design them in a different way that doesn't have all of these unintended consequences.

I think it's actually been happening everywhere outside of the industry.

And for local governments and state level governments, there have been huge conversations about this.

Everywhere, like I've been on book tour, I've been to dozens of cities around the world.

People are having these crucial conversations everywhere.

I have not gone to a single city.

Yeah, it's everywhere.

Even here in South By.

Yeah, I haven't gone to a single city where the room is not packed and people are not wrestling with the same exact questions as every other person in every other room that I've been in.

Differ from what you would do yourself?

Oh my God.

I would tell them like, enjoy, like live life for yourself.

You wouldn't do it.

And take it easy.

And yeah, I am not taking it easy.

Thank you so much, Stephen.