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Karma Nanglu

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

And these are kind of small, worm-like animals building tubes on top of these shelled creatures called brachiopods in order to basically steal the food that they're drawing into their mouths.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

They had this weird marking on them.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

It looked pretty much like a perfect sort of stylized question mark.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

We had no explanation at the time for what this thing could possibly be.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

So it just sort of sat there in the back of our minds, kind of like burrowing away at them for, you know, over the course of maybe like two, three years since we first found them.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

And we kept on shelving it because we weren't sure what it was, but we knew we'd come back to it because it was super interesting.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

Yeah, there's tons of different fossil parasite worms.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

There are actually fossils of insects in amber.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

I think specifically a group of insects called planthoppers.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

And we can actually see nematodes emerging from them in this amber fossil.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

So we have not just the host, we also have the parasite.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

And in fact, the parasite is actually leaving the body.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

It looks basically like if you took a photo of that happening in a modern environment.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

Yeah, we were stewing on this for about two, three years.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

So once in a while, I would basically go back to the paper or go back to those photos, rather, and do a bit of a search.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

And I feel like I was just basically like kind of like like an investigation.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

You're knocking off lists of lists of animals or lists of suspects.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

Exactly.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

Suspects.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

And that's not just other animals, but it's like, could it be a feature of the animal's own gut?

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

Could it be something about their gills?

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

So we kept on looking at photos of these kinds of structures.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

Couldn't see any of them.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

And then eventually I wound up with these parasitic modern worms that build tubes that are very, very similar.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

Yeah, no, totally.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

Well, you know, the first thing to remember is for an animal to enter the fossil record is super rare.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

Most things are never going to enter the fossil record at all.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

And then to have the association is doubly rare.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

And then what's cool about this, the shape of this trace specifically, is it's highly characteristic.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

And when we look at their modern day relatives, the spionids who produce these kinds of traces, we actually know quite a lot about their behavior and how they produce the trace because spionids on modern day oysters and mussels and other kinds of commercially important bivalves, you know, for eating, have been really well characterized.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

And so we kind of know what must have happened.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

The larva must have landed on one of these shells.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

It bore in sort of

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

dissolved away a little bit of the shell, built itself a little home, and then gradually elaborated this long tube out of which the adult worm would have stuck its face and its tentacles to feed on water.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

Yeah, you know, 480 million years ago, this group of worms was living inside of basically small clamshells, completely content as can be.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

Over the course of basically every major mass extinction, this group has continued to be successful to the point that we still are studying this modern group of organisms.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

So it tells you something about parasitic lifestyles, how resilient they can be.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

Totally, yeah.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

Everyone likes to talk about dinosaurs, but, you know, these worms are, you know, a little bit innocuous, but they're still doing their thing.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

I felt crushed.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

Absolutely crushed.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

Because, you know, it looked like a dynamite thing and leeches I know don't have a fossil record.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

I'm not a leech scientist myself, but I knew what a huge discovery that would be.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

But no, they were pretty upfront about that, which is what you want in a scientific colleague.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

So that's great.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

I feel like vindicated sounds too competitive.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

I feel really scientifically satisfied that there was... Is that too professional?

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

You're so Canadian.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

Well, yeah, I know.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

Danielle's Canadian too, so she's giving me grief.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

If you think about the history of life, basically, like a movie that's going through, basically the fossil record, we're not getting a complete picture.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

So imagine watching that movie, but you're squinting the entire time.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

But once in a while, you get to open your eyes and see the whole picture.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

And then you go back to squinting.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

And so this site...

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

in Wisconsin called Waukesha, is one of these sites of exceptional preservation where when watching the movie that's the whole tape of life, you get to open your eyes for a very brief moment and get the totality of the picture, which includes all the soft tissues, things like leeches and stuff.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

Yeah, anytime.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

It's always fun.

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Parasites Have Haunted Us For Millions Of Years

We have fossils as old as about 515, 516 million years old that have evidence of parasites on them.