Kate Hawkesby

So what you're doing is taking some of the money from the people who are in the public social housing and you're giving it to the people who are in the social housing in the private sector and you're balancing things up.

I mean, that's a beginning, middle and end, isn't it?

So we'll crunch you through some of that.

David Seymour, I think, has got some very good news on some charter school information and will need to celebrate the football this weekend.

Auckland FC, not just the final, but they're hosting the final.

I mean, how good's that?

So let's look at what they're trying to do with social housing.

So the income related rent from social housing tenants, that's going to go from 25 to 30%.

That money then gets put into the accommodation supplement, which means more support for those in the private sector.

Now Murray Edridge is the Wellington City Missionary.

He's with us.

Murray, morning.

Good morning, Mike.

So I heard a lot of moaning about this yesterday.

I can't work it out.

Have I explained that right?

You take some from somebody else who's getting a better deal and they're just trying to balance it, aren't they?

Exactly.

So the problem has been, and this is where I think Labour get themselves in trouble, they believe the state can provide all the housing and they simply can't.

So if you're in the private sector, you're materially worse off.