Kate Roger

But it's been 50 years.

What is it?

That American thing when something's been a secret for 50 years and now it belongs to the world.

It's our Bond films.

But if you're tall and charming, you're more likely to talk people into doing what you want.

Ah, yeah, but then everybody will say, oh, there's that guy.

No, that's Jacob Elordi from Soulburn.

There's a spy.

Yeah, I get it.

And it's interesting you bring up Jacob Elordi because the whole notion of Bond is that he's British-ish.

Well, yeah, the colonial Brits would argue that we're all British because they colonised us.

Well, you're not wrong.

Anyone can do a good British accent.

And there is a Britishness.

The Elordi thing feeds into a whole lot of other conversations around Britishness.

an actor being, you know, well-known for being an actor, but also because, you know, he's dating a Kardashian or, you know, he's in Margot Robbie's Wuthering Heights or, you know, all euphoria for that matter.

He comes with such a branded kind of CV already that you're, to your point earlier, how do we leave the lordiness of it all at the door?

And that comes back to the whole package.

And in fact, Denis Villeneuve says,

is very comfortable casting huge actors in his films.