Katherine Boyle

Well, maybe defense is where I want to do it.

Maybe I want to do another aerospace company.

Maybe I want to build a nuclear company.

And so you just had this exodus of extraordinary talent who had all been trained by Elon.

And now it's happening with Anduril too, all been trained by Palmer, where they just know how to manufacture things.

And it's been extraordinary to watch the number of young people who spend a couple of years at a great company.

Palantir has this tradition as well, where it's like it just mints founders of new companies that operate in the government space.

So it's like, one, you have winners, two, you have the customer has changed his view.

And then the last thing that I think really changed was COVID happened.

I think people sort of lifted their head and said, okay, like something is wrong with America.

And people started really thinking about how do you solve real problems?

Then, right after that, the Russian invasion in Ukraine, that changed everything for a young generation of engineers who had never seen war.

Again, they're 20 years old.

They'd have no memory of September 11th.

They maybe had no exposure to military, but they're watching how FPV drones are being used on the Ukrainian battlefield.

That is inspiring them, okay, we need to build for this mission.

So, I mean, five years, I think a lot of things have changed about how Silicon Valley not only views, you know, American interest, but just the sort of

how people view the business opportunity, but also the mission.

So I think, you know, talked about how Ukraine really did change everything for these young engineers, but there was this culture, and this is a longstanding culture, you know, say from 2000 all the way up until Anduril even existed.

where there was a belief that you could not sell into the Department of Defense.