Katherine Boyle

And San Francisco was one of the most radical, most open sort of kind of iconoclastic cultural cities in the world.

It's its own weird,

culture, anything goes, you know, you kind of get these radical sort of cult-like experiences.

There's a great book about San Francisco called Season of the Witch, and it talks about how like the spirit of San Francisco has always been sort of this like people joining cults, the hippie movement, like these are the most radical people in the world.

And you meld that with the tech people who are also sort of iconoclastic.

And they're also sort of, you know, again, they go to schools like Berkeley or Harvard or places and they get these sort of radical ideas.

And it's like, okay, we're going to bring that into the company.

And Twitter actually, I think, became...

kind of the iconic example of this, where, you know, they became so radicalized about, you know, certain ideas and viewpoints that they would start completely deplatforming people who, you know, misgendered someone or deplatforming the president of the United States, right, after, you know, after the 2020 election.

So it's like...

The sort of radicalization of Silicon Valley, I think, was happening at the same time that you had this other shift happening, which was, you know, things are going radical.

A lot of people, you know, have their sort of extremist, I would say, liberal beliefs, but then you have sort of a backlash to it.

And I would say, like, Anduril, in many cases, was a huge backlash to it, where it's like, hey,

we just wanna build stuff for our country.

We're not Democrats, we're not Republicans.

We're just a bunch of engineers who wanna build hard things, and we wanna put our heads down and work.

And I actually think that's kind of the underpinning of the American dynamism movement.

It's like people got sick of the culture wars, and particularly the culture wars that were being fought all of big tech.

Even big tech has gotten sick of it.

You know, it's like you kind of see Mark Zuckerberg has completely changed his tune on a lot of things.