Katherine Mangu-Ward

That sounds great.

The flip side, though, the other side of the horseshoe, where we have people on the left and the right

agreeing deeply confusingly for me on we should all live simpler lives with only one kind of deodorant and do the manufacturing here.

And, you know, the kind of Tucker Carlson meets Elizabeth Warren.

It's economic policy.

Again, that's that's where we end up.

And I think the shared rhetoric at that side of things

is more reactionary both from the left and the right.

And you are right that what's happening is this kind of ever fatter middle that remembers that we like grapes.

But but but we had that a little at the end of Trump's first term and then it sort of faded away.

So I'm I'm a little concerned that what looks like maybe a popular movement or some kind of agreement or God forbid, we call it again the libertarian moment.

I'm concerned about how to lock that in.

And arguably the last libertarian moment was sometime around the Tea Party, which you remember.

And, you know, that was about in its original form was about fiscal responsibility and government spending.

But it also gave us the immortal and frankly, maybe apocryphal.

I'm not sure how real it was or how widespread, but the government hands off my Medicare protest sign.

Right.

I see my wasn't we have a civics education problem, though we do.

My was we found that we found the edge of people's willingness to cut things.

And it is well south of what we're going to need to cut to solve this problem.