Katherine Mangu-Ward

Like I say, I'm a little obsessed with Arizona because Arizona does seem to kick out.

Like little.

Tell me the story of Evan Mecham.

That was again, just as I wouldn't dare put a label on.

I shan't label McCain either.

So.

I would say my my this is not my nitty gritty.

I think it's a level answer.

But as a macro answer, if it's going to if if a new kind of libertarianism that could be electoral electorally successful is going to come from anywhere.

It kind of seems like it has to come out of whatever has been through.

And, you know, you're Kirsten Sinema's.

You're like there's a bunch of the West is just filled with them.

I am interested in and keeping an eye on, but I wouldn't, I'm not sure I'd go so far as to use the word optimism.

But to a delicious crisp, if you know what I mean.

I don't know.

I think maybe things didn't work out for Ted Williams's head in the end, unfortunately.

But yes, but that's the kind of thing that you do see out there.

And that is it is also kind of adjacent to.

You know, it's the kind of futurism of those type of, you know, it is both the sagebrush libertarians and the kind of futurist libertarians tend to meet right along that seam.

And the folks that just kind of want to be left alone.