Kathryn VanArendonk

Little House on the Prairie, it's the wrong era, I understand.

But that homesteading, what if we're just, it's us in the country, and how are we going to keep our family safe, and how do we survive in this wilderness?

And I have always loved the kind of competence porn elements of a narrative that is mostly about the way people live in the world, and it's very good at doing that in the later seasons.

Earlier seasons, you get a lot of the like sexy, hot.

I mean, if you if people sort of were tracking Outlander discourse at all in that first season, which was, I think, the window where it was still unclear whether this was a show for everyone that was going to be huge or whether this was going to sort of find its fandom and then and then stay there.

Yeah.

the episode you probably heard about was the wedding episode, which was this really lovely, they have sex after they get married.

Yes, not a red wedding.

Not a red wedding.

And it is shot in ways that were incredibly effective and unusual for television at the time where it was really focused on her experiences of pleasure and

And I think set the tone for how a lot of shows like Bridgerton and even Heated Rivalry later approach what—

emotional connection during sex looks like.

There were think pieces everywhere.

You couldn't show up on the internet without stumbling over a bunch of screenshots of this wedding episode.

And it should be as much a part of the show's legacy as any of the rest of it.

But I do think Outlander is a show where you have to...

Be in for all of the really incredible, innovative stuff that it does, and then also be willing to put up with both the violent side of it and the frankly goofy side of it.

Yes.

Particularly as the show goes on.

Yeah, yeah.