Kathy Kay

And so many times it's like the opposite of what...

the vanilla world would think, right?

They're closer because of it.

And that's what I always say my show is here to say.

I'm not here to say, I'm not even a swinger.

I'm like a vanilla person just learning from people this whole time.

Now I feel like I would be a fucking swinger and I wanna be like all the people who call into my show.

I always say like, you know, I'm not here to say that everyone should do this.

Like, you know what I mean?

I'm just saying though, because and this is what I think is important that, you know, because a lot of times I hear other people on other podcasts, just regular ones, vanilla ones talking about when they hear a non monogamous couple or whatever, they all just talk about like how it's like doomed for failure, like the regular world out there, a lot of vanilla people think.

the minute you open up your relationship, it would never work.

And I'm like, my show is here to say, like, not only can it work, like you could be closer and better because of it.

And I have 1400 people that I've talked to who prove that, you know, and I love especially couples like you, because sometimes I'll get comments.

Well, let's hear from them 10 years from now.

You know what I mean?

You guys are 13 years from then and 29 years or whatever, how many years right down you've been doing it, and you're still doing it and you're happier because of it.

Oh, you get that adrenaline like in the beginning.

So it's like you're also love the community, right?

Is you're a part of it like this is that's why they call it the lifestyle.

It is a lifestyle.