Kathy Kay

Mm-hmm.

And how was it?

Right.

So you didn't like or anything.

It wasn't like a devastating ending.

I'm trying to see like why, you know, like if there was any kind of thing that happened that first time, because a lot of times the first time really shapes you.

Right.

It shapes your future.

Like if your first boyfriend cheats on you, you could be like someone that tracks cheaters all the time.

You know, like those first moments always.

But it wasn't like a relationship.

So it wasn't even your first relationship.

Did you ever have any relationships with girls before or after her?

Like actual relationships where you like someone?

Well, that's what I mean.

it's weird well maybe you're weird you know maybe you're so avoidant that no girl feels like really connected with you that early on because listen plenty of girls will you the first or second time you hang out with them or third time you know what i mean you got this vibe going you're going out on dates my brother's dating now and he just tells me the funniest story like every girl winds up in the parking lot with him like making out with him and these are like you know married divorced people you know like everyone's doing that i don't care how old you are that

Do you ever have dates that end like that?

Are you a drinker?

Do you drink?

I'm a social drinker, but nothing... Okay, so when you go out with girls, though, do you take them out for drinks and have dinner and that kind of a thing?